Meeting Notes:
POSC Member General Meeting
November 1997
November 10, 1997 (Dallas)
Agenda and Notes.
For Action Items see: Current Action
Item List
Note: These notes are subject to review. Members are welcome
to send comments to Alan Doniger at Doniger@POSC.org.
Some presentation slide files are linked into the notes. Additional links
to presentations will be added as they are supplied. Notable changes to
the meeting notes will be summarized here.
These meeting notes supplement the meeting materials distributed to
attendees. Issues and action items are highlighted.
Questions about POSC in general or about these meeting notes can be
directed to Alan Doniger (Doniger@POSC.org)
or Paul Maton (Maton@POSC.org).
Meeting Agenda
General Sessions
Supplier Sessions
Project Report Sessions
Closing Sessions
Member General Meeting Notes
General Sessions
C. Mobil Executive Presentation; Lou Allstadt (Mobil)
Larry Bellomy, Mobil and POSC Board Director, introduced Mr. Allstadt,
Mobil's Executive Vice-President for North America Exploration and Producing.
Mr. Allstadt began (MS PowerPoint V4 presentation)
by expressing concern that E&P professionals spend sixty percent of
their time finding and verifying data. His presentation (to be posted)
was entitled: Data Integration: The Business Imperative. He covered
these points:
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The oil and gas industry is thriving; there are world class opportunities
out there.
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Data Integration and data management are core competencies for Mobil.
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The business need for data integration is compelling, especially with the
growth of collaboration, joint ventures, alliances, trades, etc.
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Environmental restraints in frontier areas are causing greater investment
in offshore deep water plays.
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Operators are negotiating allocation agreements for integrated operations,
trades, and swaps, e.g. in the heavy oil operations in California. Without
effective standards and data sharing such agreements can take many years
to achieve.
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Alliances among oil companies and contractors require ongoing sharing of
data among the parties, e.g. to work large opportunities such as Hibernia.
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There is no way a single company can create a competitive advantage by
creating its own internal data models; Mobil is done with internally designed
data bases.
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Issues to address include: achieving data integration takes a long time,
the entire E&P life cycle must be addressed, flexibility must be maintained
to react to changing requirements, integration should include oil and gas
accounting (recognizing possible anti-trust implications), the Year 2000
crisis will reduce the resources available for data integration work, and
the business imperative of bottom-line impact.
He asked the POSC community to help educate operating personnel to understand
that data integration and data management are important.
Discussion
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David Archer (DA): What role do you see for National Oil Companies?
Lou Allstadt (LA): National oil companies tend to dictate the use of
their own standards, e.g. in the US. We must urge them to line up with
international standardization efforts, such as POSC.
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Tom Nash (TN): Would you contrast data handling between upstream and downstream?
LA: It is perceived that there is less value from data sharing in the
downstream area. Technical data is viewed as proprietary. [Ed.: This may
help explain the focus of the STEP Process Plant and POSC/CAESAR projects
on data sharing WITHIN as opposed to AMONG individual facilities.]
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Tarek Ghazi (TG): How does Mobil measure the value of data integration?
LA: Probably not very well. We charge out technical expenses to business
units to create a market. If some work is not adding value, then
business units won't pay for it.
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Laramie Winczewski (LW): Is there a central vision to coordinate such decisions?
LA: There is central coordination to provide guidance. Reconciling
the vision with operational immediacy is a difficult but real problem.
D. Annual POSC Planning Meeting Report; Bob Pindell
(POSC Board Chair), David Archer (POSC)
Bob Pindell began by introducing the other POSC Board members in attendance:
Malcolm Paterson (Chevron), Larry Bellomy (Mobil), Bertrand du Castel (At-large
from Schlumberger), Jean-Paul Marbeau (At-large from CGG/PECC). Bob announced
the election of Keith Steele of Prism Technologies as an At-large Director
for a two-year term.
Bob presented (MS PowerPoint V4 presentation)
a report on the recent POSC planning meeting attended by Board members
and the POSC officers. He covered the future POSC drivers, goals, principles,
and implications as determined in the planning meeting. He reviewed a straw-man
model of a three-part POSC structure: core maintenance work, new common-purpose
projects, and consultancy/joint industry projects.
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Core Maintenance was characterized as including the maintenance of Epicentre
and the other POSC specifications, information programs and meetings, etc.
The core maintenance workload will be supported by member fees.
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New Common-Purpose Projects were characterized as including work to expand
and/or improve the POSC standards and specifications for the benefit of
all POSC members. This work will be funded by interested members. The work
will follow the POSC open process, i.e. will be open to all members.
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Consultancy/Joint Industry Projects were characterized as including contracted
work for the benefit of the project sponsors. At the discretion of the
project sponsors, results related to POSC specifications may be made available
to POSC for future consideration. Bob noted that this category of work
may bring about some issues regarding competition and intellectual property
rights, but he emphasized that POSC did not intend to become a commercial
organization. He added that it is good for the POSC staff to be challenged
to do more than work on standards and specifications.
Bob described the future governance of POSC by members, i.e. without sponsors.
This was, in fact, the intent of the founders of POSC. It has simply taken
longer to reach the transition than was anticipated. After a transition
period, the POSC Board will be elected by members. There will be a number
of membership categories, and each category will elect a number of Board
representatives.
Bob concluded by saying that there is no change to POSC's original objectives
or goals.
Bob added a congratulations to David Archer on being appointed as the
new POSC CEO and President.
David presented (MS PowerPoint V4 presentation)
his views on the results of the planning session. He characterized 1998
as a year of transition which will proceed upon agreement on the way forward.
He gave examples of the three kinds of work identified by Bob Pindell.
He concluded with some observations and advice. He praised the value of
collaboration and reflected on the need to apply standards and specifications
to real business situations.
Discussion
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Nico de Rooij (NdR) said that in general he appreciated the direction being
proposed. He started the discussion by raising a series of questions, which
follow.
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NdR: What will be the balance of power among the membership segments in
terms of their representation on the new POSC Board?
RP: The intent is to not distort the balance of power. We talked about
using criteria like size and type of organization to define membership
segments. Geographic balance should be a result of the election process.
I don't think we should tinker too much with the segmentation and voting
rules.
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NdR: If a motivation for these changes is to reduce the cost of POSC for
the current sponsors, is there a danger of starving the maintenance workload?
RP: The intent is to not starve the maintenance workload. Sponsors
were originally envisioned to be phased out. We are now reverting to the
original plan to make a membership organization.
Gary Hodge (GH): This will be a problem only if members abandon the
effort.
DA: Starving the maintenance workload is a risk. We have to make the
maintenance workload self-sustaining.
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NdR: How will the membership be involved in reviewing and validating the
new Business Plan?
RP: We are getting some member input today. We will make the new Business
Plan available for member input. I don't know the mechanism that we will
use.
NdR: We need a process to verify the Business Plan.
DA: The definition of that process will be written in the Business
Plan draft.
RP: Some form of member validation is appropriate.
Tom Nash (TN): There is more responsibility than previously on members
to provide feedback and to do so in a timely manner.
NdR: We need sufficient detail so we can engage in a debate on the
issues.
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NdR: Will the diversity of the new Board make it impossible for POSC to
act decisively on major issues?
RP: There is a concern not to let the new POSC Board get too large.
If the Board is not too large, then variety will not be an issue. Common
objectives will ensure that the Board works well.
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TN: How many Board members are envisioned?
RP: We have been talking about ten to twelve.
DA: We have considered four to five categories of two to three representatives
each.
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NdR: Will POSC be split into multiple organizations?
RP: No, POSC will remain a single organization.
DA: POSC will remain the same legal entity that it is today.
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NdR: What will be done with profits obtained from project work?
Gary Hodge: If such profits are sustainable, they would be used to
reduce cost (i.e. member fees) or increase capacity of the maintenance
workload.
Bertrand du Castel: The lawyers indicate that not-for-profit status
means that profits are used within the organization (as opposed to be returned
to share-holders).
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NdR: Will POSC establish a relationship with ISO for the maintenance of
the specifications?
DA: This idea has not been considered and may not be considered in
the initial Business Plan.
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NdR: Will the development of more reference values be considered part of
the maintenance workload?
DA: In general, work on reference values is part of the maintenance
workload. Concentrated reference value work in a specific area could be
part of a project, e.g. POSC/CAESAR for production facilities.
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NdR: What is the difference between a New Common Project and a Joint Industry
Project?
RP: A new common-purpose project is intended to fund the development
of new standards and specifications, while a joint industry project is
focused on providing a solution for the project sponsors.
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Bob Decker: Is it a good idea for research projects to have elective funding?
Aren't some projects relevant to all members, e.g. interoperability? Will
member companies hold back and let others carry the funding burden?
Larry Bellomy: It is time for members to have some choices. POSC should
make funding attractive, e.g. a project to develop the shared earth model,
or POSC should go away.
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Åge Haldorsen: Is it true that POSC resources will be funded as part
of the maintenance workload to be used to work on new common projects?
DA: That is not the concept.
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Tarek Ghazi (TG): Maybe it is time to change the focus of POSC away from
software. Software is the least of the issues, e.g. reference values,
data loading. There are a lot of softer issues standing in the way. Can
we devote resources to these issues? Of course, POSC has to pay more attention
to marketing: People, Change Management, Best Practices.
Laramie Winczewski (LW): This is "a real need for change" and not "a
need for real change." The software is mature. People that run data and
loose integration were all over the SEG exhibit floor. Do you have the
means to make a quiet revolution to what the membership wants?
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How much of the POSC budget will come from membership fees?
RP: Fees will still be dependent on the size of an organization. The
level of the fees may change more for larger organizations than for smaller
organizations. This will be played out in the Business Plan. We don't have
the definitive answers yet.
DA: The current overall budget is about 5 million dollars. Sponsors
are paying about 2.2 million.
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Van Bui-Tran (VBT): Will all of the results from the new common projects
be available to all POSC members?
DA: The intellectual property will belong to POSC. Do you want to delay
the release of the results to all members? If so, a joint industry project
may be used.
Jean-Paul Marbeau: In joint industry projects, the results remain with
the sponsoring companies until they choose to share the results, e.g. with
POSC and its members.
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DA to NdR: How should members get involved in developing the Business Plan?
NdR: Break-out sessions working on specific areas have worked well
in the past. Publishing a draft on the Web Site for comments can be done.
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Jim Theriot: How is the movement of results from projects to standards
and specifications funded?
DA: The service of integrating results is funded by the project that
developed the results.
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William O'Brien: These proposals seem to formalize what has been happening.
Have you looked at the actual distribution of resources over these work
categories?
DA: Yes. We find that a significant amount of resources have been going
to projects -- largely unpaid.
Bob Pindell concluded the discussion session by agreeing that POSC will
post the two presentations and these questions on the POSC Web Site [ACTION
ITEM]. Members may send in additional questions to David Archer (archer@posc.org).
E. Demonstration of a Complete Epicentre Data Management
Solution; Phil Davies (CGG/PECC), Steve Trythall (Prism Technologies),
Ross Davidson and Steve Hawtin (Oilfield Systems)
Ross Davidson coordinated the presentation (to be posted) of a demonstration
of products from the three participating companies. The demonstration consisted
of these steps:
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Extracting selected data from a POSC Data Store (managed by PECC's PetroVision)
into a Staged Data Store (using Prism's Exchange Manager)
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Adding data from a GeoShare file into the Stated Data Store (using Oilfield
Systems' DAEX)
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Correlating and merging selected data from the Stated Data Store into the
POSC Data Store (using Prism's Exchange Manager)
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Viewing the data in the POSC Data Store (using PECC's PetroVision)
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Extracting selected data from the POSC Data Store for transfer to a Landmark
Graphics' OpenWorks data base (using Oilfield Systems' DAEX)
The other three speakers explained their product's role as the demonstration
proceeded.
Discussion
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Michael Ring (MR): What was the biggest challenge to achieving this demonstration
of product interoperability?
Steve Hawtin (SH): It was defining the common data footprint.
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MR: What can you say about the performance of the demonstration?
SH: The demonstration configuration does not have sufficiently good
performance for commercial use.
Steve Trythall (ST): The correlate and merge operation has a fixed
overhead. The penalty is small for a large quantity of data. The POSC Haddock
data set can be correlated and merged in about one hour. This was measured
using our Epicentre Access product. The time should be reduced by 50% using
the LightSIP product.
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LW: Would you characterize the kind of interoperability that you demonstrated?
SH: This demonstrates interoperability among the three tools.
ST: The subject here is data management tools that address the real-world
situation where data is moved in and out of POSC Data Stores.
LW: This is an important aspect of interoperability, but is different
from the application interoperability goal.
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Dan Schenck (DS): Is DAEX configurable for other kinds of data?
The demonstration was available for closer viewing for the remainder of
the day in a separate room.
F. Schlumberger: Workshop Announcement; Najib Abusalbi
(Schlumberger / GeoQuest)
Alan Doniger (POSC) explained the purpose and format of the new POSC Supplier
Workshop Series. (See the explanation in the POSC
Member Speaking Opportunities page at the POSC Web Site.) Alan then
introduced Najib Abusalbi to give a preview of the first Supplier Workshop
(held the next morning).
Najib gave an overview of the three presentations planned for the Supplier
Workshop:
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The GeoQuest Product Line (Larry Denver)
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GeoFrame Release 3.0 (Frank Marrone)
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GeoFrame Architecture (Najib Abusalbi)
G. Recent Conference Highlights; Struby Overton (POSC)
Struby presented (to be posted) an overview of recent conferences that
POSC sponsored or in which POSC participated, including:
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FOCUS Conference in Melbourne (September)
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FOCUS Conference in Oslo (September)
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World Petroleum Congress in Beijing (October)
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SPE in San Antonio (October)
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SEG in Dallas (November)
H. Landmark Graphics; Mike Weiss (Landmark Graphics)
Mike presented (MS PowerPoint V4 presentation)
Landmark's status and plans regarding POSC. He covered several products
and prototype projects, including OpenWorks, OpenExplorer, and Epicentre
Data Link. He outlined potential future architectures related to current
POSC specifications and to future interoperability and business objects
specifications.
Discussion
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NdR: Why has Landmark decided not to participate in the POSC Interoperability
and Business Objects work effort?
Mike Weiss (MW): Landmark did hold an internal workshop on the POSC
Interoperability work in September. We are pleased with the work completed
thus far. We will help the effort when required. Alternatively, Landmark
could participate with the objective of influencing the outcome of the
work. We choose to wait and see the results from the work. If we are not
satisfied, then we will respond.
BdC: I believe that Landmark should participate actively in this work.
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NdR: Does Landmark have a mapping between OpenWorks and Epicentre and,
if so, will Landmark publish the mapping?
MW: No. We are working on a full mapping. We waited until our prototype
projects were completed. We are defining a full mapping for OpenWorks Version
5 and we are prepared to publish it.
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Jay Hollingsworth (JH): Is there a plan to convert the existing 200 tables
in OpenWorks to Epicentre?
MW: Not at the present time, but if we decide to adopt the results
from the WIME project, we will have to change existing tables. We will
not change everything tomorrow. As we find middle layer tools to use, that
may ease the transition. We are looking at that to decide when to move.
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JH: Why is Landmark not taking up the POSC reference values?
MW: We added units of measure handling in OpenWorks Version 5 using
reference values from POSC. As we need such data, we will add it.
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NdR: As there is more use of Landmark products for corporate data stores,
what is being done to improve the weak enforcement of business rules?
MW: OpenExplorer has extra business rules, e.g. referential integrity.
For the first release, we have not defined a user tool to define additional
business rules.
I. RESCUE; Tom Test (Phillips Petroleum)
Tom presented slides (to be posted) based on Bill Byrd's material explaining
the work and status of the RESCUE project. Tom explained the contrast between
the desire of geologists to use business objects that reflect blocks of
the earth versus the need of application developers to use data views based
on grids and mathematical structures. The latter is the basis for the RESCUE
C++ class libraries. Tom listed things to be done in the future, including
defining the mapping with Epicentre (while identifying requirements beyond
the current version 2.1), implementing an interface with POSC data stores,
and defining goals for the next phase of RESCUE. There are RESCUE meetings
next week.
Discussion
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NdR: What is the relationship between RESCUE and the OMEGA project?
Tom Test (TT): There is no formal relationship now.
Najib Abusalbi (NA): Project OMEGA will send a representative to the
RESCUE meeting next week. OMEGA is considering joining RESCUE.
J. WIME; Jim Brannigan (POSC) for David Roper (Sysdrill)
Jim presented material prepared by David Roper (MS
PowerPoint V4 presentation). Jim reminded attendees that the open comment
period on the WIME snapshot material closes on November 20. There is a
WIME meeting in Norway next week.
Jim emphasized the need for flexibility to achieve data sharing in the
context of drilling people who will not give up their existing coding schemes.
He mentioned the need to model activities in parallel and the need for
accurate historical data to permit analysis on a worldwide basis. WIME
plans to provide the results of the current work to POSC.
Discussion
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Cary Purdy (CP): Can new members still join WIME?
Jim Brannigan (JB): Yes. There is no membership fee currently.
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CP: Is WIME addressing logging while drilling?
K. POSC/CAESAR Implementation: The Åsgard Project;
Ewan Botterill (Intergraph)
Ewan composed a comprehensive presentation (to be added) from several presentations
given at the FOCUS Conference in Oslo in September, including his own presentation
material and material from Thore Langeland (Statoil) and Hans Slettebo
(Norsk Hydro). Ewan covered some background on the POSC/CAESAR project,
including the motivation to achieve uniform data for sharing among contractors
and the operator of major production facility projects. He explained the
initial implementation effort called the VÅV project and the Åsgard
B facility in which the initial implementation has been made.
Ewan described the data mapping tool developed by IBM and the data warehouse
capability provided by Intergraph.
L. Epicentre in Statoil: The GISMAP Case; Åge
Haldorsen (Statoil)
Åge presented (to be posted) an overview of a Statoil project to
provide GIS access to a POSC Data Store. The project integrates ESRI's
ArcInfo with a POSC Data Store based on Epicentre Version 2.1 and the POSC
DAEF Sample Implementation. Statoil is considering the use of commercial
products for subsetting, projection, and access.
Åge described some extensions and problem fixes that have been
made. ESRI's SDE has been tested and is being considered for use. The initial
implementation will be in the UK and Ireland in January '98.
Discussion
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Doug Benson (DB): The previous system updated the GIS indices (i.e. coverages)
once per day. What will the update interval be for the new system?
Åge Haldorsen (AH): The update will remain nightly.
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DS: What is the volume of data? Are the applications running mainly online?
AH: While I do not have the figures, there is a lot of data. The main
applications are mapping applications which run off-line.
V. Southwest POSC Industry Action Group Report; Tom
Nash (Mobil)
Tom Nash presented (to be posted) a brief update on the Southwest
POSC Industry Action Group (SPIAG). SPIAG organized a half-day of presentations
at the SEG last week. The SPIAG steering committee has met once and has
defined a mission statement and a set of principles. Seven companies serve
on the steering committee; three of these are not currently POSC members.
The formal start-date for SPIAG is January 1, 1998.
Tom invited interested parties to contact him (tom_nash@email.mobil.com)
or Bob Decker, Arco (bdecker@arco.com).
There is SPIAG page
on the POSC Web Site. The presentations given at the SEG will be posted
there.
W. Topics for Future Meetings
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New POSC Business Plan
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Possible New Common-Purpose Projects, e.g.
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Shared Earth Model
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POSC - POSC/CAESAR Coordination
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SPIAG Update
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URGENT Update
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Compliance Programs and Plans
X. Action Items
ACTION ITEM D.1: POSC will publish material
from the Annual Planning Meeting Report session on the POSC Web Site for
member review and comment. This will include the presentations by Bob Pindell
and David Archer as well as a summary of the questions and answers.
Updated: November 12, 1997. Send questions and comments
to webmaster@posc.org
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